It must have been around 1988 when LÄRM called its quits and Paul,Olav, Jos and Menno decided to call their new band SEEIN'RED. Menno did not stay long in SEEIN'RED because he moved to Amsterdam to complete his lawstudy and another reason to quit the band was the fact that he felt that belonging to the punkscene wasn't that much fun anymore, the scene he used to know had changed too much, for Menno it was an end to an era.

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